The Atonement

Can one man die for another?

Did Messiah ?


by D. J. Love, Minister, TSN, SBC

(Upgraded 11-9-2001)







There appears to be some that believe or at least question as to whether or not any man can die for another. Is this true? The verses in question are stated below along with their explanation(s). I must say, however, that no one should extract verses out of their intended context, and attempt to haphazardly apply them in a generalized fashion. To do so is not an indication of being led by Yahweh's Holy Spirit, but by the spirit of man ("legalism" and "self").


In Psalms 49:1-13 (below), verse seven appears to say "no man" can be a redemption for the sins of another. And yet "In Context" Yahweh in His wisdom has "Qualified" this statement by verse six to say, "Those who trust in their wealth, and boast in the multitude of their riches --." In other words, no follower of "Self" can redeem another man from his sins. If you take the time to look up 1 John 5:14-17, you will see that the "Righteous" can pray for the sin of another "True Believing" brother, and the
(True Believing) brother's sin will be forgiven him. That is all sin except blasphemy of the Holy Spirit, which is irrelevant, because a "True Believer" can not blaspheme the Holy Spirit, as it is part of the requirement for being a "True Believer." Please understand; only selfless "Sacrificial Love" can redeem a man in the eyes of Yahweh, and this is what is meant by "Believing in Yahweh," as Yahshua, also, "Believed in Yahweh," which is the same thing as "Following in the Footsteps of Yahshua." Additionally, "Sacrificial Love" means to do without "Self." Yahshua died on the tree to emphasize what is meant by "Sacrificial Love".


Psalms 49:1-13 (King David is a "True Believer")

Hear this, all you peoples. Listen, all you inhabitants of the world,
2 Both low and high, Rich and poor together.
3 My mouth will speak words of wisdom. My heart shall utter understanding.
4 I will incline my ear to a proverb. I will open my riddle on the harp.
5 Why should I fear in the days of evil, When iniquity at my heels surrounds me?
6 Those who trust in their wealth
(instead of Yahweh), And boast in the multitude of their (self) riches --
7 None
of them (who trust in "Self") can by any means redeem his brother (friend or relative), Nor give Yahweh a ransom for him.
8 For the redemption of their life is costly, No
(worldly) payment is ever enough,
9 That he should live on forever, That he should not see corruption.
10 For he sees that wise men die; Likewise the fool and the senseless perish, And leave their wealth to others.
11 Their inward thought is, that their houses endure forever, And their dwelling places to all generations. They call their lands after their own names.
12 But man, despite his riches, doesn't endure. He is like the animals that perish.
13 This is the destiny of those who are foolish, And of those who approve their sayings. Selah.




In Deuteronomy 24:16 below, we see the very same practice of taking verses out of context. In this chapter Moses
(Yahweh's servant) is trying to instill what it means "To (Sacrificially) Love Your Brother" into the hearts and minds of a stiff necked, self willed people. Here Moses is stating that no man, father or son is legally responsible for the debts or sins of another.
Additionally, all who are considered to be unrighteous
(those without Yahweh's Holy Spirit of Love or "Mind Set") have no sacrifice for sin. There are those of the "Calvinist" persuasion whose beliefs are in direct contradiction to this basic fact. Calvinism falsely teaches that we are totally responsible for the sins of our parents all the way back to Eden! The "Total Depravity" foundational belief of Calvinism - which most churches either directly or indirectly adhere to - states we can never be sinless because of the inherited sins of past generations. Obviously this is both wrong and incorrect!


Deuteronomy 24:16 (remember that legalism is in opposition to sacrificial love)

16 The fathers shall not be put to death for the children, neither shall the children be put to death for the fathers: every
(unrighteous) man shall be put to death for his own sin.



In Jeremiah 31:30 below, we again see where the verse is taken out of context and without understanding. "Sour Grapes" describes a person who is extremely selfish or self-centered, and this term is used to emphasize the word iniquity, which is anything wicked, but is never righteousness. Therefore, a person who is selfish and without sacrificial love in their heart or mind (that person) cannot possibly have Yahweh's Holy Spirit of Love or Yahweh's Law of Love in his/her heart; this type of (self-centered) person will die in their sins.


Jeremiah 31:29-33 (verse 30 is stated within the context of iniquity)

29 In those days they shall say no more, The
(self-centered) fathers have eaten sour grapes, and the children's teeth are set on edge (they become hateful after the example of their fathers).
30 But
(regardless) everyone shall die for his own iniquity: every man who eats the sour grapes (becomes self-centered), his teeth shall be set on edge (become hateful).
31 Behold, the days come, says Yahweh, that I will make a new
(another) covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah:
32 not according to the
(physical) covenant (marriage) that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt; which my covenant they broke (divorced Yahweh by pagan idolatry), although I was a husband to them, says Yahweh.
33 But this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, says Yahweh: I will put my
(Spiritual) law (or Torah of Selfless, Sacrificial Love) in their inward parts, and in their heart (mind or pneuma) will I write it; and I (Yahweh, not Yahshua) will be their Yahweh, and they shall be my people (Yahshua is Yahweh's Proxy, Ambassador or Champion):



Ezekiel 18:20 (perfectly states my previous points exactly)

"The
(self-centered) person who (selfishly) sins will die. The (a) son will not bear the punishment for the (a) father's iniquity (selfishness), nor will the (a) father bear the punishment for the (a) son's iniquity (selfishness); the righteousness of the (selfless) righteous will be upon himself, and the wickedness (or selfishness) of the wicked will be upon himself."



The word for "law" is Torah! So, here Yahweh is stating that He will place His "True Torah"
(Spiritual Laws of Love) in the hearts of man. However, pagan christianity teaches that this Torah, which is actually the same Torah Yahweh has always had and gave to Moses, has been abolished, "Nailed on the Cross" or superseded by "Grace." Such teaching by pagan christianity is open rebellion against the eternal Torah that Yahweh clearly says is part of the covenant that "True Believers" are now under! Such teachings are blasphemy!

And finally we have Proverbs 17:15, and I can't figure out how anyone could relate this to atonement for sin, when this verse is simply expressing Isaiah 5:20 in another form.

Proverbs 17:15 (same as Isaiah 5:20)
15 He who justifies the wicked, and he who condemns the righteous, both of them alike are an abomination to Yahweh.


Isaiah 5:20 (same as Proverbs 17:15)
20 Woe to those who call evil good, and good evil; who put darkness for light, and light for darkness; who put bitter for sweet, and sweet for bitter!



Did Yahshua give himself to justify the wicked?
Absolutely Not! That would be the belief of catholicism


Yahshua gave himself to justify the "Righteous!"
Selfless repentant sinners under Grace


So, can one man give himself for another?

Absolutely, if by "Giving Himself" we understand that it was not Messiah's death (if indeed he did die on the stake), but his example of selflessness that leads us unto salvation.


1 Peter 2:21
For even hereunto were ye called: because Messiah also suffered for us, leaving us an example, that ye should follow his steps:


But

No Righteous Man, not even Messiah Yahshua, can ask for and bring about the forgiveness of selfish unrepentant sinners.






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