Who Says Christ is God?

A Refute


by D. J. Love, Minister General, T.S.N., S.B.C.

upgraded 1-17-2004
added to 5-20-2007


WHO SAYS JESUS CHRIST IS GOD?
According to those Christian ministers, who would have us all believe that Jesus Christ is God, they say the following verses state that he is. However, once we do a little research with a good concordance we can plainly see that their interpretation is based upon wishful thinking, preconceived notions, a willingness to accept a lie as the truth, a desire to ignore conflicting scripture, and a strong lack of Spiritual understanding.

Please note that the True name of the Messiah is Y'shua
(Yahushua, Yahshua or Yeshua) and his true phonetic name will be used instead of Jesus Christ (Ihsous) in all cases. This is done out of respect and not as an act of legalism. Additionally, a True Worshipper must somehow make it known that he or she does not adhere to the teachings of Christianity (christopaganism), and has, therefore, made a break from christo-pagan polytheism. One of those outward signs is to stop using the pagan (hellenized) Greek name of Jesus (IHS).

One last thought, before we go to the refute itself. Why would the Messiah, while hanging on the cross
(stake), ever say to YHVH, "Eli, Eli, lama sabachthani?" (My God, My God, Why hast thou forsaken me?) IF indeed Y'shua was also God, because YHVH would never forsake Himself; on the other hand, since Messiah Y'Shua is not God, but the Perfect Spiritual Epitome of King David (as we should be), he might want us to make that Spiritual (mental) connection (Psalms 22:1-25 Click).



The New Testament Verses





Did David call him God?

Matthew 22:41-45
41 Now while the Pharisees were gathered together, Y'Shua
(The Messiah) asked them a question,
42 saying, "What do you think of The Messiah? Whose son is he?" They said to him,
"Of David."
43 He said to them, "How then does David in the Spirit call him
(The Messiah) Lord, saying,
44 'The Lord said to my Lord, Sit on my right hand, Until I make your enemies a footstool for your feet?'
45 "If then David calls him Lord, how is he
(The Messiah) his (David's) son?" (How can a son be a lord over a parent? Especially when the parent is King David.)



Here we can see why a lack of understanding is a dangerous thing, especially in the hands of false ministers and priests.

In verse 42 above, when asked, "Whose son is he?" The Pharisees said "OF David." Meaning OF the physical seed OF David. A son is not just simply a son, but also, a grandson, great grandson, great-great grandson, etc..., and likewise a parent is not simply a parent, but also, a Grandparent, Great Grandparent, etc... .

In verse 43-45 above, "How then does David in the Spirit (now deceased OR Spiritually speaking) call him Lord, saying, 'The Lord said to my Lord, Sit on my right hand, Until I make your enemies a footstool for your feet?' "IF then David calls him Lord, how is he his son?"

This riddle is based on a classic case of
"Lord Confusion." Satan has used the mistranslation of the Greek word "Kurios," as "Lord" to fool untold millions of the Spiritually lazy. So what do these verses really say? And what is a Kurios anyway?

Click Here to receive the true meaning of the word "Lord," when the word "Lord" was translated from the Greek word "Kurios."

"How then does David in the Spirit call him
(The Messiah) kurios, saying, 'THE KURIOS said to my kurios, Sit on my right hand, Until I (YHVH) make your enemies a footstool for your feet?' "If then David calls him (The Messiah) kurios, how is he (The Messiah) his (King David's) son?"

Again:
How can a son be a lord over a parent? Especially when the parent is King David.

So let's look at verses 43-45 again.

"How then does David in the Spirit
(now deceased OR Spiritually speaking) call him (Messiah) kurios, saying, 'THE KURIOS (Supreme Kurios or YHVH) said to my kurios (Messiah), Sit on My right hand, Until I (YHVH) make your (Messiah's) enemies a footstool for your (Messiah's) feet?' "If then KING David calls Messiah Lord (kurios), how is Messiah his son?"


Answer: As a Spiritual "Title of Authority" received from YHVH that will be given to all of YHVH's Elect (Spiritually begotten children, who speak as one for YHVH by YHVH's authority). In other words this particular KURIOS is a Holy and Righteous being that "Represents YHVH" as YHVH's proxy.

As for the Messiah
(the first Spiritually begotten and appointed son or kurios of YHVH). The Messiah is also King David's physically begotten son (physical seed), that is because the Messiah is OF the physical seed (lineage) of King David.


Romans 1:3
Concerning His (Spiritual) Son, Messiah Y'Shua, our master, which was made (created) of the seed (DNA) of David according to the flesh (natural physical sperm);


Now one might wonder why YHVH would need or desire a 100 percent human proxy. Well, for one, YHVH's Kingdom on Earth (The Promised Land) will be filled with both physical (mortal) and Spiritual (immortal) beings, and the physical beings cannot look upon YHVH and live (see My Lord and My God). Second of all, YHVH promised His True Worshippers that they would become Judges (1 Corinthians 6:2) and Priests (Rev. 5:10) in the Coming Kingdom of YHVH on Earth; And the only way to do that is to become a KURIOS by the authority of YHVH.


The Greater Proof


I guarantee you all, that what you are about to read is one of many reason why YHVH chose the Hebrew people to make Himself known to the world. And to all of you who place such great importance on your Greek skills and on the Septuagint, I have to tell you, "You have been handicapped from the very start." Forget the Greek, and study the Tanakh (Older Testament) in Hebrew; as the Apostles and Messiah Y'Shua did. As for you skeptics out there who need greater proof, that the Greek word Kurios is not always used to represent YHVH, and also, to demonstrate that the Greek language and the Greek (or hellenized) translators (Jewish born translators, who chose to become pagan Greeks) are NOT capable of providing the Spiritual detail of the Hebrew language or the Inspired Hebrew writers, I am providing you with this refute and proof of your handicap.

So without further ado, please make note that the Greek/English King James version of Matthew 22:44 is supposed to be an
exact quote of the Hebrew in Psalms 110:1, but it is not. See for yourself, that in the Greek/English version, both English words "Lord" came from the same Greek word "Kurios." However, in the original Hebrew of Psalms (being quoted in Matthew) a major distinction was made that was not carried over into the Greek. Therefore, the Greek language and (or) the Greek translators were either incapable of duplicating the Inspired Hebrew language and the Inspired Hebrew writers and (or) they deliberately mistranslated the verse.

I say,
"The Greek (Greco-Romans) is (are) guilty of all three."

Directly below is The original verse quoted by The messiah. Notice that "Psalms" records two entirely different words with two entirely different meanings, BUT that they were both deceptively translated as the ambiguous word "Lord or LORD" with only capitals or lowercase letters to distinguish them; of course this distinction was soon lost with subsequent translations.

English with Hebrew: Psalms 110:1 The LORD (Strong's # 3068, YHVH, Yehovah, The Self-existent One; divine only) said unto my Lord (Strong's # 113, Adon, sovereign controller; human or divine), Sit thou at my right hand, until "I" make thine enemies thy footstool.


English with Greek: Matthew 22:44 The LORD (Strong's # 2962, Kurios) said unto my Lord (Strong's 2962, Kurios), Sit thou on my right hand, till "I" make thine enemies thy footstool?

Suddenly, "Adon" has been replaced by "Kurios," and then by "Lord." Moreover, this deception, also, affects the entire meaning of the pronoun "I" in as much as it defines YHVH / Yehovah as the Spiritual Power behind Messiah Y'Shua, and NOT Y'Shua himself; thus, The Messiah is NOT GOD !

This is why Satan (Natural Man) doesn't want its Trinitarian, Christo-pagan churches using the Tanakh
(Older Testament) or associating with non-hellenized Jews and non-hellenized gentiles.





Did Matthew call him GOD?


Matthew 1:23
23 "Behold, the virgin (young maiden) shall be with child, and shall bring forth a son. They shall call his name Immanuel;" which is, being interpreted, "GOD with us."

See Isaiah 7:14 below. (Click Here)





Did Messiah call himself GOD?


John 5:17-18
17 But Y'Shua answered them, "My Father is still working, so I am working, too."
18 For this cause therefore the
(these) Jews sought the more to kill him, because he not only broke the Sabbath, but also called GOD his own Father, making himself equal with GOD.

This is a joke, right? This in no way implies that the Messiah is actually GOD or even equal to GOD. YHVH is not only the Messiah's Creator-Father, but YHVH is my and your Creator-Father too! (Call no man Father - Matthew 23:9 - Therefore YHVH is THE FATHER).
This statement in John 5:18 most assuredly establishes that the pagan polytheistic concept of multiple gods, being fathered by a supreme god, was already firmly planted in the minds of these particular Jews during this early time frame; afterall, YHVH didn't allow the Jews to go into captivity because they were obedient to Him. They
(in general) had broken their marriage vows (their Covenant) with YHVH by seeking other gods; this is both 'Spiritual Adultery' and 'Spiritual Idolatry.'


Matthew 23:9
Call no man (or priest, etc.) on the earth your father, for one is your FATHER, He
(YHVH) who is in heaven.




Now let's consider this deception.


John 8:58-59 (These are verses taken out of context, a common error)
58 Y'Shua said to them, "Most assuredly, I tell you, before Abraham was born, I AM."
59 They took up stones therefore to throw at him, but Y'Shua hid himself, and went out of the temple, going through the midst of them, and so passed by.


In order to fully grasp the mentality of Hebrews regarding pre-existence, one must also have an understanding of the "Mind of YHVH." So if you haven't already read the message on "The Holy Spirit," then you really should Click Here.

In John 8:58 Y'Shua claimed superiority over Abraham. His supreme position, however, depends on the Father who glorifies His Son
(John 8:54). He stated that Abraham rejoiced to "see my day" (John 8:56) - that is, Abraham by faith envisioned Messiah's coming in advance of his actual arrival. The day of Messiah "preexisted," so to speak, in Abraham's mind. It is noteworthy that Rabbinic traditions state Abraham saw a vision of the entire history of his descendants (Midrash Rabbah, XLIV, on Gen. 15:1-8)


Note: The Midrash method was employed by Ezra and his associates when Ezra read the written Law to the Jews who had returned to Jerusalem from exile (Neh. 8:1-8).
(additional commentary) says that God granted Abraham a vision of the end times. The local Jews misunderstood what Y'Shua had said, believing that he had made a claim to be actually a contemporary of Abraham (John 8:57). However, Y'Shua reaffirmed his absolute preeminence in God's plan with the astonishing claim, "Before Abraham was, I am [he] (who Abraham envisioned)" (John 8:58).


To grasp the meaning of the phrase "I am" in this text, it is essential to compare it with John's frequent use of the same phrase, which is in several places connected with the Messiahship of Y'Shua:


John10:30-33
My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me.
28 I give eternal life to them
(by the power invested in me by YHVH). They will never perish, and no one will snatch them out of my hand. (Why? Because...)
29 My Father, who has given them to me, is greater than all
(even the Messiah). No one is able to snatch them out of my Father's hand.
30 I and The FATHER are
(as) one (Like Minded OR mentally agree "As One")."
31 Therefore Jews took up stones again to stone at him.
32 Y'Shua answered them, "I have shown you many good works from my Father
(through me, His proxy). For which of those works do you stone me?"
33 The Jews answered him, "We don't stone you for a good work, but for blasphemy: because you, being a man, make yourself GOD"
(The Jews did not understand, and neither do the Christians).


Note: It is quite obvious that the pharisees and other Jews of the Messiah's time did not understand what he was saying anymore than the Trinitarians do today. They both think he was calling himself GOD. This is an obvious polytheistic mental concept, and the source of their confusion.


Revelation 1:1-8
(a future event being revealed in a past event to present time readers)


Note: The "Chain of Command" is evident here. Additionally the "Chain of Command" levels change according to the actual point in time, whether future or past, being referred to. Therefore the numbers (#) refer to the future positions of the participants within the "Chain of command" at the future time of "The First Resurrection," which is "The Second Coming of Messiah." Furthermore, Positions #1 and #2 in "The Chain of Command are held by only one being each or one entity per position, while subordinate positions (#3 and numerically higher) are shared. I personally believe there will be up to seven levels with "The Least in the Kingdom" at level #6, and those at level #7 will receive "The Second (physical) Death", but this is another story, and a non-redemptive issue. At any rate the levels below #3 are not up to me, but to (#1) YHVH through His (#2) Magistrate, Y'Shua.

Note: It seems to me, that since YHVH's word is always TRUE and harmonious, that if uncorrupted scripture even mentions Y'Shua's secondary position to YHVH just once (and it does many times), then Messiah Y'Shua is always secondary to YHVH, and therefore cannot be YHVH, except by proxy. Those who want to argue and (or) try to force people to believe that Messiah Y'Shua (or Jesus if you must) is GOD do so to protect their own polytheistic views, pride, and realm of power.


This is the Revelation of
(#2 level) Y'Shua Messiah, which (#1 level) GOD (YHVH) gave him (#2 Y'Shua) to show to his (#3) servants (or The Chosen Few or Elect) the things which must happen soon, which he (#2 or Y'Shua) sent and made known by his angel (future #4 or #5 Angel Messengers) to his servant (future #3 Servant or Minister), John,
2 who testified to (#1) GOD's word, and of the testimony of (#2) Messiah Y'Shua, about everything that (#3) he (John) saw.
3 Blessed is (#3 & #4) he who reads and those who hear the words of the prophecy, and keep the things that are written in it, for the time is at hand.
4 (#3) John, to the seven (#3 level to #4 level) assemblies that are in Asia: Grace to you and peace, from (#1) Him (Strong's #575, He who is separate - YHVH), who is and who was and who is to come; and from the seven Spirits who are before (#1) His throne;
5 and (also) from (#2) Messiah Y'Shua, the faithful witness, the firstborn (Spiritually begotten) of the (physically) dead, and the (#2) ruler of the kings of the earth. To (#2) him who loves us, and washed us from our sins by his blood (example of Living Sacrifice);
6 and (#2) he made us to be a kingdom, priests to (#2) his (#1) GOD and Father; to (#2) him be the glory and the dominion forever and ever. Amen. (end of thought or statement)

7 (New statement) Behold, (#2) he is coming with the clouds, and every eye will see (#2) him, including those who pierced him. All the tribes of the earth will mourn (weep) over (because of) (#2) him. Even so, Amen. (end of thought or statement)

8 (New statement) "(#1) I (YHVH) am the Alpha and the Omega, the Beginning and the End," says the (#1) Lord (Kurios, but with further explanation), "Who is and who was and who is to come, the Almighty" (YHVH is this "Almighty" Kurios).


Again we have YHVH's Ambassador OR Proxy to mankind
(Messiah Y'Shua), speaking for YHVH, as IF he was YHVH (Exactly the same as the Prophets of Old did), and sometimes it appears (to the less knowledgeable) that the speaker is actually The Creator for whom he speaks. Presently this will always be the case since the veil of the temple (Matthew 27:51) was torn asunder at Messiah's death and end of Messiah Y'Shua Ministry on Earth. However, we still pray directly to YHVH, and YHVH hears us (True Worshippers only), because of Messiah Y'Shua's "Living Sacrifice," which we, also, maintain as the focal point of our own lives .


Romans 12:1
I beseech you therefore, brethren, by the mercies of GOD, that ye present your bodies a living sacrifice, Holy, acceptable unto GOD, which is your reasonable service.





Did the Angels call him GOD?


Luke 2:11
11 For unto you is born this day in the city of David a Savior, which is the anointed one of the Kurios.


Note: If you need to read or reread Kurios Click Here.





Did John call him GOD? (Updated 12-4-2002)


John 1:1-5 (A Major Trinitarian Deception)
1 ¶ In the beginning was the Word
(Strong's #3056, LOGOS; a Motive or Intent, an utterance or thought), and the Word (Utterance with Motive or Intent ) was with GOD, and the Word (Utterance with Motive or Intent ) was (of) GOD.
2 The same
(Utterance with Motive or Intent ) was in the beginning with GOD (YHVH).
3 All things were made by
Him (YHVH according to Motive or Intent or Plan); and without Him (YHVH according to Motive or Intent or Plan) was not anything made that was made.
4 In
Him (YHVH according to Motive or Intent or Plan of Salvation) was life; and the life (eternal) was the light of men.
5 And the
light shines in darkness; and the darkness comprehended it (The Light) not.


Note: The Messiah is not "The Logos;" The Messiah is the "Instrument of Salvation," and the "Intent or Motive is Salvation" for YHVH's "Elect" or "Chosen Few." Strong's also, list the Messiah as the "Divine Expression," but does not go so far as to say 'The Messiah' is "The Logos." A "Divine Expression" is a figure of speech that must, also, remain within the overall meaning of the definition. Obviously, the Messiah was always "Intended" to play a major role in "Salvation." However, the "Logos" is not just simply a "Plan of Salvation," as YHVH's primary motive has always been to Spiritually Beget Righteous Children "In His Image" of which the Messiah is the eldest, and "The Chosen Few" are the Spiritual Siblings.

Note: When looking up the definition of a word in a concordance, MAKE SURE that the understanding of the definition derived is well within the context of ALL the words shown. Even definitions must remain "In Context."


For when
YHVH spoke "In the Beginning" (Genesis 1), He (YHVH) was making the utterance of "The Logos." See for yourself, as "The Light" in John 1:5 is the very same "Light" spoken of in Genesis 1:1-3. Why? Because the Sun, Moon and the Stars were not created until the "Fourth Day" (Genesis 1:13-18).


John 1:5
5 And
the light (Righteousness of YHVH) shines in darkness (unrighteousness); and the darkness (Choshek - H2822) comprehended it (The Light) not.


Genesis 1:1-3 ("The Logos" is an utterance or thought)
In the beginning GOD created the heavens and the earth.
2 Now the Earth was formless and empty. Darkness
(Choshek - H2822) was on the surface of the deep. YHVH's Righteous Spirit was hovering over the surface of the waters.
3 GOD said
(or thought), "Let there be Light," and there was light (The Beginning of Righteousness, Love, Understanding, Divine Wisdom).


When we read "A Bible" of course it will read as written and as translated by those who were originally hellenized
(pagan Greek translators) and as by those Christians, who are also hellenized, that translated it; Moffatt is no different. However, when you look at the pure Greek, and Hebrew you see that logos means something quite different.


Logos (log' os)
(G#3056) something said (or thought); by implication, a topic (subject of discourse), also reasoning (mentality or motive or spirit), or as with St. John "A Divine Expression" (from The Divine Father).


The Christians have gone to great lengths to even add their own personal interpretations to Strong's Exhaustive Concordance. Regardless, The Expression is only Divine because it was THOUGHT
(not actually spoken) by the Divine Being, YHVH. SO . . . . what was that "Divine Expression?"


Genesis 1:3 "Then GOD said, "Let there be LIGHT" and there was LIGHT (Divine Light or Divine Wisdom was introduced).


As we know, The Day LIGHT
(lights) wasn't (weren't) created until the fourth day in the firmament of heaven, THIS is confirmed by the word "DARKNESS" (H2822, Choshek) in verse 2.


Choshek
(H2822) literal darkness, but figuratively meaning misery, destruction, death, ignorance, sorrow, wickedness, but not meaning physical absence of sunlight.


Therefore, YHVH decided to put an END to misery, destruction, death, ignorance, sorrow, and wickedness with LIGHT
(The Divine Revelation of Righteousness). That Divine Revelation has been revealed to be THE GOAL of YHVH's "PLAN Of SALVATION;" and as we know, The Messiah played The Pivotal Role in that Divine Plan, but others also played important parts in YHVH's Divine Plan (Moses, King David, Abraham, Apostles, etc. . . .).

Proverbs 8:all is especially good, because it literally spells out that "The Light" was WISDOM (Divine Wisdom).

So there you have it, AND suddenly the Hellenized (pagan) Christian Effects are very obvious.


Note: And thus, "The Plan of Salvation" was initiated, and YHVH began the process of begetting Righteous children (not just one), of which Messiah Y'Shua is the First appointed son and Y'Shua is YHVH's primary LIGHT source and YHVH's source of Righteous understanding for mankind. (Revelation 21:23).


Revelation 22:5 (After the First Resurrection)
And there shall be no night
(darkness) there; and they need no candle, neither light of the sun; for the Lord GOD (YHVH) giveth them light: and they (The Chosen Few) shall reign forever and ever.




Now let's consider another deception.


1John 3:16
16 Hereby
perceive we the love of GOD, because he (Messiah) laid down his life for us (to teach us the "Selfless Love of GOD"): and we ought to lay down our lives for the brethren (because we too have the "Love of GOD").


This is extremely far fetched, and just goes to prove the extreme to which Trinitarians will go in order to try to prove a lie. Obviously those with the "
Love of GOD" are not GOD, but have GOD's "Holy Spirit of Love." Notice the word "perceive?" This is a keyword that tells us that the revealer of truth (The Holy Spirit) will open our mind's eye, so that we may perceive the truth concerning "The Love of GOD."


1John 5:18-20
18 ¶ We
(The Chosen) know that whosoever is born of GOD sins not (stops sinning); but he that is (Spiritually) begotten of God keeps himself, and that wicked one touches him not.
19 And we
(The Chosen) know that we (The Chosen) are of GOD (we have YHVH's Holy Spirit or Mentality), and the whole world lies in wickedness.
20 And we
(The Chosen) know that the Son of GOD (Messiah) is come, and hath given us an understanding (Light through YHVH's Holy Spirit), that we (The Chosen) may know Him (YHVH) that is true, and we (The Chosen) are in Him (YHVH) that is true, even (also) in His Son, Messiah Y'Shua. This (YHVH) is the true GOD, and eternal life (is YHVH's gift through Messiah's teachings).


Does a lack of understanding ever cease? This next one shows a very elementary lack of understanding.


Did the blind man call him GOD?


John 9:35-38
35 ¶ Y'Shua heard that they had cast him out; and when he had found him, he said unto him, Do you believe on the
Son of GOD?
36 He answered and said, Who is he, Lord
(Kurios), that I might believe on him?
37 And Y'Shua said unto him, You have both seen him, and it is he
(Son of GOD, not GOD) that talks with thee.
38 And he said, Lord
(Kurios), I believe. And he "kissed his hand" (Strong's,# G4352, proskuneo, kneeled before him and/or kissed his hand in respect for his authority).


Here Y'Shua only claims to be "
A Son of GOD," but the Trinitarians have chosen to ignore this obvious lower position of authority, and focus on the ambiguous word "Lord" (Kurios). This is just another example of the desperate measures that polytheistic thinking trinitarians will stoop to in order to preserve their spiritually darkened lives. The Son of GOD statement simply reinforces what I have been saying all along; regardless of the ambiguous word Lord (Kurios) statement. Since Kurios has already been discussed I will continue on without further discussion on the Kurios subject, unless it is brought up again (below) in this refute, in which case, and from this point onward I will just tell you that we have another Kurios Misunderstanding.




Did Thomas call him GOD?


John 20:28
28 And Thomas answered and said unto him, My Lord
(Kurios) and my GOD (Theos).


This is the typical Kurios and Theos misunderstanding. Read about the Kurios and Theos in the message "My Lord and My God."





Did Peter call him GOD?


Acts 10:34-36
34 ¶ Then Peter opened his mouth, and said, Of a truth I perceive that Theos
(could be either YHVH or Y'Shua) is no respecter of persons:
35 But in every nation he that fears Him
(probably YHVH), and works righteousness, is accepted with Him (could be either YHVH or Y'Shua).
36 The word which was
(GOD was not in the original texts here, but was added by trinitarian translators) sent unto the children of Israel, preaching peace by Messiah Y'Shua: (he is Kurios of all:)


Again, we have another
Kurios misunderstanding, and an improper manipulation of text.




Did Paul call him GOD?


Acts 20:28
28 Take heed therefore unto yourselves, and to all the flock, over the which the Holy Spirit hath made you overseers, to feed the assembly of Theos, which he hath purchased with his own blood.


This is another Theos misunderstanding. Read or reread about the Kurios and Theos in the message "My Lord and My God."



Philippians 2:5-6
5 Let this mind (Holy Spirit) be in you, which was also in Messiah Y'Shua:
6 Who, being in the form
(Spiritual Image) of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God (in Spiritual RIGHTEOUSNESS ONLY - Jeremiah 23:6):


Oh Boy, if this misunderstanding doesn't reek of Satan
(Source of Human Nature) then nothing does! Satan, who sees itself as the rightful heir of YHVH, has just used its very own selfish influence (Human Nature) to make those without understanding to think that the Messiah desires to be equal to YHVH; but it is Satan (Not Messiah) that stated it would be "Like the Most High" (Isaiah 14:14). Sounds like Satan's false messiah is the Anti-Messiah.



1 Timothy 3:16
16 And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: Theos
(#2 level leader) was manifest (appeared) in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up (Spiritually) into glory.


This is another Theos misunderstanding.



Titus 2:13
13 Looking for that blessed hope, and the glorious appearing of the great
Theos and our (proxy) Savior, Messiah Y'Shua;


This is another Theos misunderstanding.




Did YHVH (GOD) call him GOD?
This is probably the most lame
(blind) statement of all. Now the Babylonian Trinitarian fever has reached its greatest heights of self-deception. Now we have YHVH calling the Messiah, "YHVH." Here we are expected to believe that GOD talks to Himself. As if YHVH, the supreme Spiritual mentality in all the universe and beyond has to communicate with Himself by talking to Himself. I am sorry, but I cannot believe that YHVH is schizophrenic. But I do believe, and it is scriptural, that Messiah Y'Shua is as close as any human can get to being GOD, without actually being GOD. And therein lies all the misunderstandings and deceptions brought down upon mankind by Satan (Source of Human Nature) and its deceivers.


Hebrews 1:1-2, 6-10
(verses 1 and 2 were included to show that YHVH does indeed use proxies to speak on His behalf.)

1 ¶ GOD
(THEOS, Strong's #2316), who at sundry times and in diverse manners spoke in time past unto the (human) fathers by the prophets (YHVH's proxies),
2 Has in these "latter days"
spoken unto us by His Son (also a proxy for YHVH), whom He hath appointed heir of all things (that are Created), for whom also he made (created) the (physical) world;


6
(in the future) When He (YHVH) again brings in the firstborn into the world (at the First Resurrection, yet to come) He says, "Let all the angels of GOD reverence him" (as their superior).
7
(in the future) Of the angels He says, "Who makes his (the Messiah's) angels winds, and his servants a flame of fire?" (Answer: YHVH will do this for All of His sons)
8
(Apostle Paul speaking) but of the Son (the Messiah) He says, "Your throne, THEOS (Strong's #2316), is forever and ever; The scepter of uprightness is the scepter of your kingdom (On Earth).
9 You have loved righteousness, and hated iniquity; Therefore THEOS
(#2), your THEOS (#1), has anointed you With the oil of gladness above your fellows."


Note: This is so obvious as to be laughable. If Theos always refers to The Supreme Being YHVH (and it does not), then it makes zero sense that this verse would establish Theos as being subservient to Himself.

However,
If Theos is not always the supreme being YHVH (which is the case), then this verse does make sense; and (again), just as in the case of the term Kurios, definitely establishes a "Chain of Command," wherein the Messiah is the highest ranking created being in the universe; but he is still not The Self-existent Creator, YHVH.

This type of confusion is why uninspired hellenized Jews and other uninspired paganized translators should never have been used to translate the Inspired word of YHVH. Only YHVH's elect
(Chosen Few) have the ability to understand and interpret YHVH's words; for it is The Holy Spirit (mind of YHVH) that reveals truth (John 14:26; 1 Corinthians 2:13). Therefore, pagan Roman or pagan Greek translators, whether Jewish born or not, will always misinterpret the Spiritually inspired word(s) of YHVH. If they didn't, then this refute would not be necessary.


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(Apostle Paul speaking) And, "You, Kurios (YHVH), in the beginning, laid the foundation of the earth. The heavens are the works of your hands.


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The Older Testament Verses



Did Isaiah call him God?

Isaiah 7:14
14 Therefore the Lord
(Adonay)(YHVH) Himself will give you a sign: behold, a virgin (young maiden) shall conceive, and bear a (human) son, and shall call his name Immanuel (Strong's #6005, meaning "GOD is with us" - Spiritually Speaking, not physically speaking).


Note: Obviously the Messiah was not actually named Immanuel or Emmanuel, and therefore this was not a literal statement, but a figurative one. This is the same Hebrew concept as YHVH is with us through His Ambassador, Proxy or Kurios (who is Y'Shua Messiah). This is another case of wishful thinking, and it would be completely out of sync with all scripture if the figurative meaning of the name Immanuel were taken literally.


Isaiah 9:6
6 For unto us a
(human) child is born, unto us a (human) son is given; and the government (of the Coming Kingdom of YHVH on Earth) shall be on his shoulder: and his name shall be (someday) called Wonderful (Strong's #6382, "PELE," A Miracle or A Wonder or A Marvel), Counselor (Strong's #3289, "YA'ATS," One who guides or advises), Mighty "EL" (Strong's #410, "EL," Strength, Mighty, and may be used with ANY deity or idol, but normally as a compound word, similar to "El Shaddai"), Everlasting Father (Strong's #1, "AB" figuratively used in a future or remote application as a Chief or Principal or as a father, but not THE FATHER) , Prince of Peace (self-explanatory).


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Did Jeremiah call him God?


Jeremiah 23:5-6
5 Behold, the days come, saith the LORD
(Strong's #3068, Yehovah, Jehovah, The "Self-existent GOD"), that I (YHVH) will raise unto David a righteous Branch, and a King shall reign and prosper, and shall execute judgment and justice on The Earth (by proxy).
6 In his
(Messiah's) days (as future King of YHVH's Kingdom on Earth) (New or Spiritual) Judah shall be saved, and (New or Spiritual) Israel shall dwell safely: and this is his name whereby he shall be called, THE LORD OUR RIGHTEOUSNESS (Strong's #3072, Yehovah tsidqenuw, a symbolical epithet of the Messiah) or "The Righteousness of Jehovah."


Did Paul Call Him GOD?
(Philippians 2:5-6)



Was Messiah Prophesied as GOD or A Human Prophet?


Deuteronomy 4:10 (spoken to Moses)
Specially the day that thou stoodest before the YHVH thy LORD
in Horeb, when the LORD said unto me, Gather me the people together, and I (YHVH) will make them hear my words, that they may learn to fear me all the days that they shall live upon the earth, and that they may teach their children.
They gathered and feared the presence of YHVH. They cried out to Moses let us hear you instead of YHVH.

Deuteronomy 18:16-18 (spoken to Moses)
According to all that thou desired of YHVH thy LORD
(while) in Horeb in the day of the assembly (Deu. 4:10 above), saying, Let me not hear again the voice of YHVH my GOD, neither let me see this great fire any more, that I die not.
And YHVH said unto me
(Moses), They have well spoken that which they have spoken.
YHVH is pleased they did not want to see or hear Him
(because).
I will raise them up a Prophet
from among their (human) brethren, just like you (Moses), and (I, YHVH) will put my words in his mouth; and he (Messiah Y'Shua) shall speak unto them all that I shall command him (by my Righteousness Seeking Holy Spirit or Mindset). And it shall come to pass, that whosoever will not hearken unto my words which he (the human Prophet or Messiah) shall speak in my name (as my proxy), I will require it (his disobedience) of him.


This is a prophecy of a fully human Messiah, as another one of YHVH's prophets
(human proxy), only this fully human prophet will ultimately be given the full power of YHVH.


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Psalms 22:1-25

(Key words and phrases in bold letters)



My GOD, my GOD, why hast thou forsaken me? why art thou so far from helping me, and from the words of my roaring?
2 O my GOD, I cry in the daytime, but thou hearest not; and in the night season, and am not silent.
3 But thou art Holy, O thou that inhabits the praises of Israel.
4 Our fathers trusted in thee: they trusted, and thou didst deliver them.
5 They cried unto thee, and were delivered: they trusted in thee, and were not confounded.
6 But I am a worm, and no man; a reproach of men, and despised of the people.
7 All they that see me laugh me to scorn
(Messiah's Roman Guards mocked him): they shoot out the lip, they shake the head, saying,
8 He trusted on the L_RD that he would deliver him: let Him deliver him, seeing he delighted in Him.
9 But thou art He that took me out of the womb: thou didst make me hope when I was upon my mother’s breasts.
10 I was cast upon thee from the womb
(not before): thou art my GOD from my mother’s belly.
11 ¶ Be not far from me; for trouble is near; for there is none to help.
12 Many bulls have compassed me: strong bulls of Bashan have beset me round.
13 They gaped upon me with their mouths, as a ravening and a roaring lion.
14 I am poured out like water
(when his side was pierced), and all my bones are out of joint: my heart is like wax; it is melted in the midst of my bowels.
15 My strength is dried up like a potsherd
(broken pottery); and my tongue cleaveth to my jaws (he thirsted); and thou hast brought me into the dust of death.
16 For dogs have compassed me: the assembly of the wicked have inclosed me:
they pierced my hands and my feet.
17 I may tell all my bones: they look and stare upon me.
18
They part my garments among them, and cast lots upon my vesture.
19 But be not thou far from me, O L_RD: O my strength, haste thee to help me.
20 Deliver my soul from the sword; my darling from the power of the dog.
21 Save me from the lion’s mouth: for thou hast heard me from the horns of the unicorns.
22 ¶ I will declare thy name unto my brethren: in the midst of the congregation will I praise thee.
23 Ye that fear the L_RD, praise him; all ye the seed of Jacob, glorify him; and fear him, all ye the seed of Israel.
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For He (YHVH) hath not despised nor abhorred the affliction of the afflicted (neither Messiah nor David); neither hath He (YHVH) hid His face from him; but when he cried unto Him, He (YHVH) heard (YHVH did not turn His back on Messiah).
25 My praise shall be of thee in the great congregation: I will pay my vows before them that fear Him.



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The True Meaning of Lord or Kurios



The word "KURIOS" was and still is being improperly translated as the

ambiguous term "Lord."


Lord (ancient) A husband, the head or master of a household, a man of renowned power, a man who has mastery in some field or activity.


When looking at translations, one must look at ALL of the possible meanings in order to derive the true meaning. Simply selecting your favorite word from a list is a grave error. According to Strong's Concordance, Kurios (#2962) literally means "Supreme in authority," "A Controller," "A Title" such as Mister, "Sir," "Master," "Lord" or "God." Obviously, the true meaning for KURIOS is a respectful title for anyone who has the Highest Position and Highest Authority, but only within the bounds or area of their authority. YHVH has ALL Authority over ALL, but Messiah Y'Shua's authority is over the Coming Kingdom of YHVH on Earth. The Kurios (#2962) is a title that carries with it the concept of the "Chain of Command." For the guy at the bottom of the "Chain of Command," everyone above him is his Kurios; with each succeeding Kurios having his own realm and bounds of authority, and each Kurios being supreme within his own realm. Spiritually speaking this is always true, as all of YHVH's "Chosen Few" (Elect) will be a Kurios with supreme authority without any other Kurios overruling him. Why? Because they are ALL of ONE MIND, ONE SPIRIT, ONE ACCORD and ALL do only the "WILL of YHVH." Therefore, all the KURIOS speak for YHVH, and without conflict. In other words, all Kurios beneath YHVH (the absolute supreme Kurios) will act on behalf of YHVH as YHVH's proxy.


John 17:9-12, 16-18, 20-23 ("As One" explained)

9 I pray for them
(Chosen Few): I pray not for the world, but for them (Chosen Few) which thou hast given me; for they are thine.
10 And all mine are thine, and thine are mine; and I am glorified in them.
11 And now I am no more in the world, but these
(Chosen Few) are in the world, and I come to thee. Holy Father, keep through thine own name those whom thou hast given me, that they may be (as) one , as we are (A Spiritual marriage meaning "Like Minded").
12 While I was with them in the world, I kept them
(Chosen Few) in thy name: those (Chosen Few) that thou gavest me I have kept, and none of them is lost, but (except for) the son of perdition (Judas); that the scripture might be fulfilled.


16 They are not of the world, even as I am not of the world
(because we are not worldly in Spirit).
17 Sanctify them through thy truth: thy word is truth.
18 As thou hast sent me into the world, even so have I also sent them into the world
(meaning we were born in this world, but none of us including Messiah, came from the third heaven).


20 Neither pray I for these alone, but for them
(The Chosen Few yet to be born) also which shall believe on me through their word;
21 That they all may be one
(Spiritually Married or Like Minded); as thou, Father, art in me (Holy Righteous Character), and I in thee, that they also may be one in us (Are we God? No! And neither was Messiah, but we all have YHVH's Righteous Character, and as such we are all "As One"): that the world may believe that thou hast sent me.
22 And the glory which thou gavest me I have given them; that they may be
(as) one, even as we are (as) one:
23 I in them, and thou in me, that they may be made
(in time) perfect in one (mind or Spirit); and that the world may know that thou hast sent me, and hast loved them, as thou hast loved me.




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