by D. J. Love, Minister, TSN, SBC
How many of you consider YHVH your Father? Did you ever stop to think that metaphorically speaking YHVH is both our Father and our Mother?
8 But be ye not called Rabbi: for one is your Master, even Messiah; and all ye are brethren.
9 And call no man your father upon the earth: for one is your Father (YHVH), which is in heaven (but Messiah was on the earth).
10 Neither be ye called masters: for one is your Master, even Messiah.
20 Then Job arose, and rent his mantle, and shaved his head, and fell down upon the ground, and worshipped (YHVH),
21 And said, Naked came I (physically) out of my mothers womb, and naked shall I return thither: The Mighty EL (YHVH) gave (me physical life and prosperity), and The Mighty EL (YHVH) hath taken away (life and prosperity); blessed be the name of The Mighty EL (YHVH) .
22 In all this Job sinned not, nor charged YHVH foolishly.
Those of us that have studied the ancient Hebrew people can certainly understand the female aspect of YHVH (allegorically speaking). Interestingly, the Hebrew people considered YHVH's (Holy Spirit) to be His feminine attribute. Yes, The Ruach Qodesh (Holy Spirit) was always spoken of in the feminine gender; that is until the Greeks and Romans came along and started messing everything up. See: "Holy Spirit Revealed".
Did you ever stop to think that your Earth Parents symbolically represent YHVH? As a matter of fact every aspect of our Heavenly Father can and is represented allegorically (parables, etc.) by "The Very Nature" of His creations. See: "Parallels And Parables".
For the invisible things of Him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made (created), even His Eternal Power and Divinity; so that they (humans) are without excuse:
This brings us to "The Ten Commandments" in which the first four Commandment are strictly Spiritually Oriented (Spiritually to physically paralleled concerning Love and Respect for YHVH), the last five are physically oriented (Physically to Spiritually paralleled concerning Love and respect between Human Beings), but the Fifth Commandment is both a "Spiritual to Physical" and a "Physical to Spiritual" parallel (allegory) that establishes our Earth Parents (as created by YHVH) as being allegorically representative of YHVH and His Parental Attributes. Moreover, all Commandments are relationship oriented aspects of Righteousness (True Love).
In the beginning, "The Ancient Hebrew" understood this parental relationship with YHVH, and incorporated this understanding into their thoughts and language. In fact this parental relationship was so well understood and believed that it was inferred by tradition and practice, and was the basis all applicable conversations.
56 Your father Abraham rejoiced to see my (Messiah's) day: and he saw it (envisioned it), and was glad.
57 Then said the Jews unto him, Thou art not yet fifty years old, and hast thou seen Abraham? (Preexisted according to the worldly concept?)
58 Yahshua said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I Am (He, who was PLANNED or preexisted according to the Midrash tradition).
In John 8:58 Yahshua claimed superiority over Abraham. His supreme position, however, depends on the Father who glorifies His Son (John 8:54). He stated that Abraham rejoiced to "see my day" (John 8:56); that is, Abraham by faith saw "Messiah's Coming" in advance of his actual arrival. The "Planned Day of Messiah" preexisted, so to speak, in Abraham's mind. It is noteworthy that Rabbinic traditions state Abraham saw a vision of the entire history of his descendants (Midrash Rabbah, XLIV, on Gen. 15:1-8)
Note: The Midrash method was employed by Ezra and his associates when Ezra read the written Law to the Jews, who had returned to Jerusalem from exile (Nehemiah 8:1-8).
(Additional commentary) says that YHVH granted Abraham a vision of the end times. The Jews of Messiah Yahshua's day misunderstood what Yahshua had said, believing that he had made a claim to actually be a contemporary of Abraham (John 8:57). However, Yahshua reaffirmed his absolute preeminence in YHVH's PLAN with the astonishing claim, "Before Abraham was, I am [he] (who Abraham envisioned)" (John 8:58).
This takes us back to JOB (the man); Who inferred that when he died he would return to his Mother YHVH's Spiritual Womb, but only if YHVH would consider "Remembering Him."
O that thou wouldest hide me in the grave, that thou wouldest keep me secret, until thy wrath be past, that thou wouldest appoint me a set time (after physical death), and remember me (unto Eternal Life).
This further infers that YHVH's (feminine aspect) Holy Spirit is not only considered a Spiritual Womb, but also, "A Spiritual Life Giver", and also, a "Dwelling Place"; In human beings this mental (Spiritual) dwelling place is called "Memory", and apparently (allegorically speaking) YHVH has "Spiritual Memory". Looks like we have come full circle on "The Holy Spirit" for every Concordance that I have ever read refers to "The Holy Spirit" as a "Righteous Mentality". In other words "The Natural Mind of Man" is a "Physical to Spiritual Parallel" of "The Spiritual Mind of YHVH"; only YHVH's mind is far "More Powerful" and "All Knowing." Is there anybody that believes in The Self-existent Creator that doesn't, also, believe in His "Omnipotence" and His "Omnipresence"? In reality there is only one self-limiting restriction to the power of YHVH, and that one restriction (imposed by YHVH, Himself,) is to not perform any act(s) of unrighteousness.
So What About Preexistence?
When Scripture revealed to mankind that YHVH established "From The Foundations of
The Earth" all future boundaries, natural laws of physics, the "Physical
to Spiritual" (metaphorical) relationship
of His Creations to Himself (etc.);
it was revealing to us that EVERYTHING was PLANNED in ADVANCE, and with NO
MARGIN for ERROR!
Preexistence is not a condition of existing somewhere; It is a condition of being "Planned" by YHVH (The Creater). Therefore, this preexistent condition means prior to being created, but not prior to being planned by "The Creator".
Job 38:1-8 (Extremely Allegorical)
¶ Then YHVH answered Job out of the whirlwind, and said,
2 Who is this that darkeneth counsel by words without knowledge?
3 Gird up now thy loins like a man; for I will demand of thee, and answer thou me.
4 Where wast thou when I laid the foundations of The Earth? Declare, if thou hast understanding.
5 Who hath laid the measures thereof, if thou knowest? or who hath stretched the line upon it?
6 Whereupon are the foundations thereof fastened? or who laid the corner stone thereof;
7 When the morning stars sang together, and all the Elohim shouted for joy?
8 Or who shut up the sea with (symbolic) doors, when it brake forth, as if it had issued out of the womb?
Of old hast thou (YHVH) laid the foundation of The Earth: and The Heavens are the work of thy (allegorical) hands.
My Brethren, what you have just read is "True Preexistence". Preexistence is not only incorporated into the physical structure of "The Universe", but also, into the lives of mankind. If an asteroid crashes into The Earth, it is because it was "Planned" from "The Foundations of The Earth" to do so. Thus, everything that physically exists, does so "By Design." Only mankind was given "Free Will" to choose his direction in life after he is born, but YHVH chooses when and where he will be born. This is, also, the extent of predestination.
For (Messiah) whom He did foreknow (Greek #4267, proginosko, FORESEE or preexisted in YHVH's Mind), He, also, did predestinate (Greek #4309, proorizo, predetermined or established in advance) to become (future tense) conformed into the (Spiritual) image of His (first appointed) Son, so that he (Messiah) might become (future tense) the (appointed) firstborn among many brethren (to be born (appointed) into The Kingdom Of YHVH or Of Heaven On Earth; NOT from The Kingdom).
Moreover (The Appointed Messiah AND The Appointed or Chosen Few) whom he did predestinate, them, He also called: and whom He called, them, He also justified: and whom He justified, them, He also glorified (we are already glorified in YHVH's mind, and we haven't even been resurrected yet).
Having predestinated us unto the adoption of children by Messiah Yahshua unto Himself (YHVH), according to the good pleasure of His will,
In whom, also, we have obtained an inheritance, being predestinated according to the purpose (PLAN) of Him (YHVH) who worketh all things (Laid The Foundations) after the counsel (Righteous Thinking) of His own will (more of the "Power Of YHVH's Holy Spirit"):
The bottom line is simply this:
Preexistence is the incorporation of a "PLAN" into "The DESIGN" of "ALL CREATION" according to a "RIGHTEOUS MOTIVE". Predestination is the future tense resultant of preexistence (a Spiritually planned and predetermined event).
Greek #3056, Logos; "A Motive" or "An Intent". "An Utterance with Motive or intent".
John 1:1-5 (A Major Trinitarian Deception)
1 In the beginning was the Word (Strong's #3056, LOGOS; a Motive or Intent, an utterance or thought), and the Word (Utterance with Motive or Intent) was with EL (YHVH), and the Word (Utterance with Motive or Intent) was (of) EL.
2 The same (Utterance with Motive or Intent) was in the beginning with EL (YHVH).
3 All things were made (created) by Him (YHVH according to Motive or Intent or Plan); and without Him (YHVH according to Motive or Intent or Plan) was not anything made that was made.
4 In Him (YHVH according to Motive or Intent or Plan of Salvation) was life; and the life (eternal) was the light of men.
5 And the light shines in darkness; and the darkness comprehended it (The Light or Gospel of Righteousness) not.
Note: The Messiah is not "The Logos;" The Messiah is the "Instrument Of Our Salvation," and the "Intent, Plan or Motive is Salvation" for YHVH's "Elect," "Appointed," or "Chosen Few."
Strong's Concordance, also, list the Messiah as the "Divine Expression," but does not say that Messiah is "The Logos." A "Divine Expression" is a figure of speech that must, also, remain within the overall meaning of the definition. Obviously, the Messiah was always "Intended" to play a major role in "Salvation." However, "The Logos" is not just simply a "Plan of Salvation", because YHVH's primary motive has always been to Spiritually Beget Righteous Children "In His Spiritual Image"; of which the Messiah is the eldest, and "The Chosen Few" are Messiah's Spiritual Siblings.
So What Is The Divine Expression?
While YHVH spoke "In the Beginning" (Genesis 1), He (YHVH) was, also, making the utterance of "The Logos". See for yourself, as "The Light" in John 1:5 is the very same "Light" spoken of in Genesis 1:1-3. Why? Because the Sun, Moon and the Stars were not created until the "Fourth Day" (Genesis 1:13-18).
John 1:5 (Allegorical Expression)
5 And the light (righteousness) shines in darkness (unrighteousness); and the darkness (Choshek - H2822- misery, destruction, sorrow, death) comprehended it (The Spiritual Light) not.
In the beginning EL (YHVH) created the heavens and the Earth.
2 Now the Earth was formless and empty (No Righteous Structure). Darkness (Choshek - H2822- misery, destruction, sorrow, death) was on the surface of the deep. EL's Spirit (Spiritual Womb) was hovering (looking down) over the surface of the waters.
3 EL said (or thought), "Let There Be Light," and there was light (Righteousness, Love, Understanding, Divine Wisdom).
It wasn't simply Messiah that was the "Divine Expression", it was "Messiah and His Ministry" that became "The Divine Expression."
John 8:12 Then spake Messiah Yahshua again unto them, saying, I am the "Light of the World" (Divine Expression): he that followeth (emulates) me shall not walk in darkness (unrighteousness), but shall have "The Light of Life".
John 9:5 As long as I am in the world, I am the "Light of the World".
So there you have it, "The Divine Plan of Salvation" and "The Divine Expression" ("Let There Be Light"), which was the basis for "The Laying of The Foundations Of The Earth".
So, "Did Messiah Preexist?" Well, certainly not as taught by Christianity (christopaganism).
1Peter 1:20 (speaking of Messiah)
Who verily was foreordained (Greek #4267, proginosko, FORESEE or preexisted as a PLAN in YHVH's Mind) before the foundation of the world, but was (made) manifest (became a reality) in these last times for you,
John 17:1-5 (Enlightened version)
¶ These words spake Yahshua, and lifted up his eyes to the sky, and said, Father, the hour is come; glorify thy [APPOINTED] Son, that thy [APPOINTED] Son also may glorify thee:
2 As thou hast given him authority over all flesh, that he should give eternal life [To ALL who follow his example] to as many as thou hast given [CHOSEN for] him.
3 And this is life eternal, that they might know thee [YHVH] the only true God, and [also] Messiah Yahshua, whom thou hast sent [not from heaven, but in the exact same way thou has sent other prophets].
4 I [Messiah] have glorified thee [YHVH] on the earth: I have finished the [PLANNED] assignment, which thou gavest me to do [in the exact same way thou has given assignments to other prophets].
5 And now, O Father, glorify thou me [Messiah] with thine own self [Glorious RIGHTEOUS NATURE or HOLY SPIRIT] with the glory which was PLANNED by YOU from the foundations of the Earth.
Prior to his physical birth, Messiah preexisted in YHVH's Spiritual Mind as a future (pivotal role model) to ultimately become a living example of YHVH's ideal Spiritual Image according to YHVH's "Plan Of Salvation".
This is perfectly paralleled by all loving parents who plan their children in advance of bringing them into the world. And this, Brethren, is "True Preexistence" and completely inline with the inference of ancient Hebrew thinking.
Love and Blessings,
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