My Lord and My God

John 20:28

by D. J. Love, The Bnei HaMashalim
written April 2, 2003
Refined December 5, 2015




Universal Roman, Protestant, and Christian translators and the leaders of their power structures do not want you to know what John 20:28 really says.


John 20:27-28 (a deliberately biased translation)
27 Then he (Messiah Yahshua) said to Thomas, "Reach here your finger, and see my hands. Reach here your hand, and put it into my side. Don't be faithless, but believing."
28 Thomas answered him, "My Lord, and my God!"


Did Messiah actually say, "My Lord, and my God!" in English? No !
Did Messiah actually say, "My Kurios, and my Theos!" in Greek? No !

My question to you is, "Did Messiah use any unispired (pagan originated) language to speak Inspired words, Inspired thoughts, to give Inspired Praise, or speak The Sacred Name of The Creator of The Universe?" No ! "So how is it that any Inspired understanding of True Scripture can ever come out of Greek, English, Latin or other pagan developed (based) languages?"
Do I have to tell you that it cannot, without having knowledge inspired by YHVH's Righteousness Seeking (Holy) Spirit ? . . . Literal pagan languages were never meant to speak inspired words ! Moreover, "The Eternal Creator" is not a 'Him', 'He', 'She' or even an 'It' ; pagan based languages are totally inadequate to speak or translate any Inspired Scripture!
Using Literal pagan languages to describe, give name to or define The Eternal Father and any truly inspired message or Scripture is demeaning to the Good Name (Reputation) of YHVH !
And 'Theos' and 'Kurios' (among others) are horrible pagan Greek words to have been used to translate Inspired Scripture. The words "Theos" and "Kurios" are uninspired pagan words that were never used in true Scripture prior to translating Inspired Scripture by hellenized (pagan) translators, and it is impossible to use pagan originated words (used to describe both men and pagan gods or goddesses, etc. .) to accurately describe The One and Only True GOD, YHVH ! The same goes for other pathetically insufficient words like "Lord". Anytime mankind has ever used a word that has to be qualified, as to its intended (Inspired) meaning, to describe or give title (name) to The Creator, that word or those words will invariably corrupt and demean Our Eternal Father. You cannot use words originally designed to admire and honor mortal men, pagan gods and goddesses to speak genuinely of "YHVH". We simply cannot define "The Creator of The Universe" using any pagan developed language or terminology without those terms being carefully qualified by Righteousness Seeking Inspired Translators and Ministers (who understand "The Mystery Language" of 1 Corinthians 2:7).
Dear guests, our Inspired Translators and Ministers do not teach a literal understanding of Scripture based on pagan biased words and terminologies. We don't spend our time twisting words; it is our job to untwist them !



Psalm 110:1-7
The LORD (YHVH) said unto my Lord(Messiah Yahshua). Sit thou at my right hand, until I make thine enemies thy footstool.
2 The LORD
(YHVH) shall send the rod of thy strength out of Zion: rule thou in the midst of thine enemies.
3 Thy people [shall be] willing in the day of thy power, in the beauties of holiness from the womb of the morning: thou hast the dew of thy youth.
4 The LORD
(YHVH) hath sworn, and will not repent, Thou [art] a priest (Messiah Yahshua)  forever after the order of Melchizedek.
5 The Lord  
(Messiah Yahshua)  at thy right hand shall strike through kings in the day of his wrath.
6 He  
(Messiah Yahshua)  shall judge among the heathen, he shall fill [the places] with the dead bodies; he  (Messiah Yahshua)  shall wound the heads over many countries.
7 He  
(Messiah Yahshua)  shall drink of the brook in the way: therefore shall he lift up the head.


The following is a Greek term translation, and then it is followed by an Inspired True Translation of what John was really expressing.


John 20:27-28 (a real term translation in bold)
27 Then he (Messiah Yahshua) said to Thomas, "Reach here your finger, and see my hands. Reach here your hand, and put it into my side. Don't be faithless, but believing."
28 Thomas answered him, "My Kurios and my Theos!"


John 20:27-28 (The True "Implied" Translation in bold)
27 Then he
(Messiah Yahshua) said to Thomas, "Reach here your finger, and see my hands. Reach here your hand, and put it into my side. Don't be faithless, but believing."
28 Thomas answered him, "My Supreme Master (Master teacher or guide) and My Supreme Godly
(Master Guide) Leader!"


Matthew 23:7-11 (Be not confused !)
And (who love) greetings in the markets, and to be called of men, Rabbi, Rabbi.
But be not ye called Rabbi (G-4461 * teacher): for one is your Master (G-2519 * Master teacher or guide), [even] Messiah; and all ye are brethren.
And call no [man] your Father upon the earth: for one is your Father (YHVH), which is in heaven.
Neither be ye called masters: for one is your Master (G-2519 * Master teacher or guide), [even] Messiah.
But he that is greatest among you shall be your servant.



According to Strong's Concordance
(which isn't purely without prejudice) the following are the definitions of Kurios, and Theos.

KURIOS, Strong's #2962: He who is "In Charge" or "In Authority." The Supreme Authority
(for a specific realm of influence).

THEOS, Strong's #2316: As a
figure of speech, "A Magistrate" or a "Supreme Divinity." or "godly" (like GOD or an Image of GOD or one of the "Children of GOD) or even GOD (However, GOD is only listed as a choice, because GOD  has Godly qualities, is Divine, and is also Supreme, but God is not the only one with those qualities). Strong's Concordance only lists God as a last choice, because anyone that has received GOD's Holy Spirit or Righteous Character has GOD like qualities; and The Messiah certainly has Godly qualities. As a matter of fact all of YHVH's "Chosen Few" (elohiym or Godly Children) can be referred to as a Theos.


Note: The Eternal "Self Existent" GOD (YHVH) can only be implied with 100% certainty when both Kurios and Theos are used simultaneously, as in "KURIOS-THEOS." The conjunction 'and'(between Kurios 'and' Theos) is not sufficient enough to confirm YHVH as the subject.  Only when"KURIOS-THEOS" is used in this exclusive "Side by Side" format is YHVH positively identified as the subject. and not His First Appointed Son, Messiah Yahshua, except with one futuristic exception. And that future date occurs only after Messiah's throne (The Kurios-Theos Seat) is actually set (appointed or established) inside "The New Jerusalem"(The seat of Yahweh's Throne) at the sound of "The Last Trumpet". This is explained in more detail later; However it is enough to know for now that the Title of Kurios-Theos will be a future "Appointed Position" for the one who will sit in "The Appointed Seat" with the appointed title of "Kurios-Theos". It is a grave error to assume that Messiah Yahshua already sits in the appointed seat prior to "The Second Coming"; Prior to now, now, and until then, Kurios-Theos is YHVH's Title over The Earth and everything in it. This future appointed position in no way makes Yahshua into YHVH nor does it prove that Yahshua is YHVH. Yahshua will always be YHVH's spokesman. In other words, YHVH's Proxy to the world.

 And while Messiah is both a Kurios, 'and' also a Theos, he is not a
"KURIOS-THEOS"  Yet!
There are zero examples of the Messiah ever being referred to as "KURIOS-THEOS" anywhere in the Apostolic writings, except in a future tense at or during "The Second Coming".

Moreover, when you see "Lord God" in English, this does not indicate
"KURIOS-THEOS" either (as is shown in Jude 1:4), because Jude 1:4 actually indicates "Lord of GOD" meaning a lesser title than "LORD GOD." "Lord of GOD" is translated from "despotes theos" and not "kurios theos". Despotes actually indicates a servant or a slave; thus "Despotes Theos" should be rendered as "Servant of GOD" or "Servant of YHVH".


According to Strong's Concordance:


Jude 1:4 actually says, "For there are certain men, who (secretly) crept in unawares; who were before of old ordained to this condemnation. Ungodly men, turning the grace of our GOD into lasciviousness, and denying GOD's Servant, our Lord Messiah Yahshua". Here we find "Lord" to be Strong's #1203 (Despotes, which could, also, be interpreted as "Master of the House"). "Despotes Theos" is not "KURIOS-THEOS" (the 'Side by Side' form), thus we are not presented with the positive indicator of YHVH, but with YHVH's Magistrate or proxy.

The Tanakh's
(Older Testament) use of "Yehovah Elohiym" as "LORD GOD" is even more specific than "KURIOS-THEOS," since YeHOVAH (Jehovah) is a well known title for YHVH; The Self-Existent or Eternal GOD.
 If Elohiym
(Strong's H-430, El-O-Heem), is used all by itself it could simply indicate a Magistrate of or proxy for GOD; A Godly (Righteousness Seeking) person.


I wish to make it fully understood that we, The Bnei HaMashalim, do not wish to promote the use of the word "GOD" in any form to indicate "The Eternal Father" or the use of the lower case "god" to indicate those who serve GOD or those who are His children, as this borders on pagan polytheism. However, in order to reach those coming out of christopaganism, we do so in order to promote Righteous communications using their own terminology.


Christopagan Is a legitimate term that is used on the web to indicate the blending of pagan religions with the Greek term for "Anointed" (christos) that has been used almost exclusively to indicate IHSous or Jesus Christ, and those (trinitarians or binitarians) that worship Jesus Christ as GOD (YHVH). However, you may not find it within the covers of a dictionary printed in a Christian Society.


At first glance the less knowledgeable would immediately jump to an untrue conclusion, and ASSUME that "My Kurios and My Theos" must be God
(YHVH). However, one must not only look at the context of the chapter, but one must make sure that John's statement about Thomas is entirely in agreement with ALL Scripture. After all, YHVH's inspired word is not chaotic, but harmonious (if properly translated and understood).


Note: Satan (source of human nature) has created a veil or scales over the eyes of Christians, Nazarenes, Trinitarian, Binitarians, and Messianics among others. This veil leads them to approach their study of Inspired Scriptures and Inspired Apostolic Writings from a pre-conceived Pagan Greek (Babylonian Mystery Religion) perspective. That veil being that Jesus (IHSous) is GOD. Well folks, Greeks, Romans, and Hellenized (pagan) Jews did NOT write down the original "Inspired Words" of YHVH. Inspired Hebrews did, and not for one second did Moses, King David, King Solomon, the prophets or any of the Apostles (etc...) ever once believe or ever make the statement that YHVH (GOD) was more than ONE or a combination. Therefore YHVH's Inspired words must only be studied from that Inspired Hebrew perspective.


The very first thing that MUST be understood is that Thomas had doubts that Messiah had actually risen from among the dead. However, AFTER he discovered that Messiah was still alive, he immediately (mentally) applied to the Messiah what he had previously been taught would be the Messiah's New Titles. Thomas knew beforehand that Messiah Yahshua would be GIVEN ALL (Supreme)AUTHORITY over Mankind and over The Earth (Ephesians 1); BUT Authority does not make anyone into GOD; Not even Messiah Yahshua! In order to be God, you must be "Self-existent," and Yahshua (Jesus if you must) is not self-existent.

So what about the word "Divinity?" A "Divinity" is anyone with a "Divine Nature"
(not human nature). Of course, YHVH is "Divine" but so is Yahshua, as are ALL of YHVH's Heavenly Hosts! (Heavenly Hosts does not refer to celestial stars, but "The 24 Elders [Rev.4:4]". "YHVH's Righteous Messengers, elohiym, "Chosen Few" or Angels, etc. ).

So what about the descriptive word "Supreme?" Again, since YHVH placed Yahshua into his position of having YHVH's Supreme Authority, as YHVH's Supreme Magistrate
("Right Hand Man"), then Yahshua welds all the authority that YHVH will allow him to have; and according to the Apostolic writings, Yahshua acts on behalf of YHVH (as His Proxy) with all power and authority. This is no different than a military General acting on behalf of the President of the United States, except that the Messiah can be trusted with YHVH's awesome power, and a mere human General cannot.


Ephesians 1:19-23
19 and what is the exceeding greatness of His
(YHVH's) power toward us who believe, according to that working of the strength of His might
20 which He
(YHVH) worked in Messiah, when He (YHVH) raised him from among the dead, and made him to sit at His right hand (AS His Supreme Magistrate and Proxy) in the heavenly places,
21 far above all
(Earthly) rule, and (Earthly) authority, and (Earthly) power, and (Earthly) dominion, and every (Earthly) name that is named, not only in this (Earthly) world , but also in that (Earthly world) which is to come (promised land or New Jerusalem).
22 He put all
(Earthly) things in subjection under his feet (Authority), and gave him to be head over all things to the assembly (the True Worshippers),
23 which is his body
(Marriage partner or Bride), the fullness of him who fills all in all.


There is one very common error that most people tend to make, and that is to assume that True Statements are, also, true when applied in the reverse order. And while it is sometimes true, it is rarely true.

True Examples:
(1) Black is the opposite of white, and thus white is the opposite of black. (TRUE)


(2) The Righteous are like YHVH in Spirit, and thus those like YHVH in Spirit are Righteous. (TRUE)



Untrue Examples: (These are "FALSE" relationships)

(1) All cows are animals, thus all animals are cows. (FALSE)

(2) God has supreme Authority, and thus all who have Supreme Authority are God. (FALSE) Yes, this is absolutely false.

(3) Messiah Yahshua sits on the Right Hand of YHVH, and thus YHVH sits on the Right Hand of Yahshua. (FALSE)

(4) YHVH is Divine, and thus all Divine beings are YHVH. (FALSE)

(5) God has a Spiritual IMAGE, and thus those with God's Spiritual IMAGE are God. (FALSE)





Can anyone truly look upon the face
of
YHVH
and
live?


No!



Exodus 33:17-23 (Moses seeks to truly see YHVH)
17
YHVH said to Moses, "I will do this thing also that you have spoken; for you have found favor (Grace) in my sight, and I know you by name."
18 He
(Moses) said, "Please show me your glory."
19
He (YHVH) said, "I will make all MY goodness pass before you (Moses), and will proclaim the name of YHVH before you. I will be gracious to whom I will be gracious, and will show mercy on whom I will show mercy."
20
He (YHVH) said, "You cannot see my face, for man may not see me and live."
21
YHVH also said, "Behold, there is a place by me, and you shall stand on the rock.
22 It will happen, while
my glory passes by, that I will put you in a cleft of the rock, and will cover you with my hand until I have passed by;
23 then I will take away my hand, and you will see my back; but
my face shall not be seen."


Note: There are many instances in Scripture where translators have written that some men (Jacob and Moses for example) have literally seen YHVH "Face to Face," but these were figures of speech, and not literal. Even Exodus chapter 33 (above) states that Moses saw YHVH "Face to Face", but nine verses before YHVH states that no man may see my face and live. Therefore, the figure of speech "Face to Face" is actually an anthropomorphism that means to become Spiritually aware of (Spiritually SEE / Heart to Heart) YHVH's True Righteous Nature.


Exodus 33:11
11 YHVH spoke to Moses
"Face to Face," as a man speaks to his friend (Heart to Heart). He turned again into the camp, but his servant Joshua (Hebrew is Yahshua), the son of Nun, a young man, didn't depart out of the Tent.


Hopefully, I have made myself perfectly clear on this subject, but if not then will someone please tell me how an infinite God can be contained in a finite human body of flesh that as flesh is incapable of even looking upon YHVH's face OR how is it that an immortal God can live in a mortal body without that mortal body, also, being immortal and thus incapable of dying on the cross.

And how is it that
"No Man May Literally See The Creator's Face And Live," and yet no man ever died from looking upon the face of Messiah Yahshua (or Jesus if you must). Could it be that Messiah Yahshua was merely perfected "In the Spiritual IMAGE of God?" Answer:Yes!



 

Galatians 4:16

So then, have I become your enemy by telling you the truth?

 





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